2972: The Lonely Chapter — Why Growing Up Feels So Isolating (And Why It Should)
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In this episode the guys sit down with Michael Smoak — public speaker, podcaster and host of the fastest growing podcast in wellness, The Higher Up Podcast — for a deeply personal and wide-ranging conversation. Michael shares the full origin story: being called overweight by his best friend at 20, losing 60 pounds in ten months listening to Mind Pump, spending seven years building a knowledge base in isolation before posting his first TikTok at 26, quitting his corporate sales job after one month when the promise he made himself came true, and building to three million followers across platforms. He also opens up about the five months caring for his father as he died from a portal vein blood clot with no treatment available, recording his father’s voice on a lapel mic 60 days before he passed, delivering the eulogy at 27, how his dad’s death became the catalyst for his faith, how the lonely chapter is a necessary part of any man’s growth, and the Purpose Progression tour he is currently running. The guys also discuss the rise of young men turning to faith at unprecedented rates, how to evolve your friend group without a formal breakup, and what purpose actually looks like in practice.
GUEST LINKS
Michael Smoak: https://www.instagram.com/higherupwellness
The Higher Up Podcast: available on all major platforms
The Purpose Progression Tour: https://laylo.com/laylo-higheruptour/m/wpPOi3
LINKS
Mind Pump Store: https://mindpumpstore.com
Maps Fitness Products: https://mapsfitnessproducts.com
Instagram: @mindpumpmedia
0:00 – Intro
1:11 – Michael’s origin — called overweight at 20, losing 60 pounds in ten months listening to Mind Pump
6:25 – Seven years building in isolation — from corporate sales to 3 million followers in three years
11:00 – The binge-restrict cycle, disordered eating and how he finally got out of it
15:55 – Floor goals vs ceiling goals — why minimum viable habits beat extreme protocols
20:32 – His first viral video and the fear of being perceived that almost stopped everything
26:42 – The elbow problem video and why hyperbolic content works on social media
29:00 – His father’s diagnosis — the portal vein blood clot with no treatment and five months of caregiving
36:47 – Recording his father on a lapel mic 60 days before he died — every question he would ever want to ask
40:57 – Grief, ego dissolution and what his father’s death taught him about faith
46:52 – How he went from atheist to Christian — Yellowstone, his father’s death and surrendering in the car
52:58 – The revival of young men turning to faith and his role in it
56:44 – The lonely chapter — how to evolve your friend group without a formal breakup
59:00 – The Purpose Progression Tour — what it is, what to expect and how to find it
